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TD 16 organizing; Mexican landslide kills hundreds; hottest day ever in Los Angeles

Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:25 PM GMT on September 28, 2010

The large area of low pressure centered just south of Cuba's Isle of Youth has developed enough of a well-defined circulation to be classified as Tropical Depression Sixteen, and is likely to become Tropical Storm Nicole by Wednesday. The depression has a very broad center, with little heavy thunderstorm activity near the center, and is this very dissimilar to the usual types of tropical depressions we see in the Atlantic. The large size, broad center, and lack of heavy thunderstorm activity near the center of TD 16 will limit the storm's ability to rapidly intensify. TD 16 resembles the "monsoon depressions" common in India's Bay of Bengal or the Western Pacific. A monsoon depression is similar to a regular tropical depression in the winds that it generates--about 30 - 35 mph near the outer edges (and usually stronger on the eastern side of the circulation.) Monsoon depressions have large, calm centers, and can evolve into regular tropical storms, if given enough time over water to develop a tight, closed circulation. Today's monsoon-like depression in the Caribbean was able to form because the atmospheric flow pattern of the Eastern Pacific has shifted eastwards into the Western Caribbean, bringing in the Eastern Pacific ITCZ (Intertropical Convergence Zone, a region of converging surface winds that creates a band of strong thunderstorms). This unusual flow pattern is forecast to remain in place for at least the next ten days.

An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft has been flying at 700 feet in TD 16 since 1:30pm EDT, and has thus far found a central pressure of 999 mb. The strongest winds at flight level seen as of 3:20pm EDT were 32 mph, located about 100 miles east of the center of TD 16. Surface observations show that the strongest winds at any surface station continue to be at Buoy 42057, several hundred miles to the southeast of TD 16's center. Winds were 27 mph, gusting to 34 mph at 2:43pm EDT this afternoon. Rotation of TD 16 can be seen on radar loops out of Pico San Juan, Cuba, and well as satellite imagery. The heavy thunderstorms are currently quite disorganized, but a curved band is beginning to wrap around the north side of the center, signaling that TD 16 is growing more organized. TD 16 has brought torrential rains to the Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Cuba, and Honduras today.

Figure 1. Radar-estimated precipitation for South Florida and Cuba. TD 16 has brought 2 - 4 inches of rains to the region.

Forecast for TD 16
Because TD 16 is so large, it will take more time than a typical depression for it to spin up into a strong tropical storm. Given that the steering currents are expected to pull TD 16 north-northeastwards over Cuba and into South Florida and the western Bahamas on Wednesday, the storm lacks sufficient time over water to be any stronger than a 50 mph tropical storm for Florida. TD 16 is organizing pretty slowly this afternoon, and I think the top winds in Southeast Florida are most likely to be in the 25 - 35 mph range on Wednesday. Winds are likely to be stronger in the western Bahamas, perhaps 30 - 40 mph, since they will be in the stronger right front quadrant of the storm. By the time TD 16 makes landfall in South Carolina or North Carolina on Thursday morning, it could be as strong as a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm. However, wind shear will increase sharply on Thursday as TD 16 gets caught in an upper-level trough of low pressure, and NHC is giving TD 16 only a 9% chance of making it to hurricane strength before it becomes an extratropical storm on Thursday. The primary danger from TD 16 is not wind, but heavy rainfall. A potent upper-level low and stationary front over the U.S. East Coast have been pulling moist, tropical air from the Caribbean northwards over the past few days, bringing heavy rains that have saturated the soils. This is called a Predecessor Rain Event, or PRE, since it comes in advance of the actual rain shield of the storm. (A PRE from Hurricane Karl brought southern Wisconsin the heavy rain that caused the levee on the Wisconsin River to fail yesterday.) Wilmington, NC received 10.33 inches of rain yesterday, its second greatest one-day rainfall since record keeping began in 1871. Only the 13.38" that fell during Hurricane Floyd on September 15, 1999 beat yesterday's rainfall total. With TD 16 expected to bring another 6 - 8 inches of rain to the region later this week, serious flooding is likely, and flash flood watches are posted for the North Carolina/ South Carolina border region. South Florida is also under a flood watch, for 3 - 5 inches of rain. Flooding rains of similar magnitude can also be expected in Cuba, the Cayman Islands, and the Western Bahamas through Wednesday night. Both the GFDL and HWRF models are predicting that TD 16 will dump rains in excess of eight inches along narrow portions of its path in eastern Florida, South Carolina, and North Carolina.

Figure 2. Forecast precipitation for the 5-day period from 8am today through 8am EDT Sunday, October 3, 2010. Image credit: NOAA Hydrometeorological Prediction Center.

Up to 1,000 feared dead in Mexican landslide
Mexico has taken the brunt of the devastation from the hurricane season of 2010, thanks to the landfalls of this year's two deadliest and most damaging storms, Hurricanes Alex and Karl. But Mexico's worst blow yet hit this morning, when heavy rains from the remnants of Tropical Storm Matthew triggered a landslide in Mexico's mountainous Oaxaca state that buried as many as 1,000 people in Santa Maria Tlahuitoltepec, a town of 9,000. Rescuers have not reached the area yet, but hundreds are feared dead in the 300 homes that were buried by the early morning landslide. Matthew hit Belize on Saturday as a minimal tropical storm with 40 mph winds, and dissipated Sunday over southern Mexico. However, Matthew's remains stalled out over the region of Mexico that had already received torrential rains from Hurricane Karl, which hit on September 18. Satellite estimates of Matthew's rains over southern Mexico (Figure 3) show that a foot of rain may have fallen in the landslide area. Matthew's remains still linger over the region, but are probably only capable of bringing 1 - 2 inches of additional rain through Thursday.

Figure 3. Satellite-estimated rainfall for the five-day period ending at 8pm EDT Monday September 27, 2010. The dark green colors show where rainfall amounts of 300 mm (about 12 inches) fell, due to the remnants of Tropical Storm Matthew. Image credit: Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

Elsewhere in the tropics
Once TD 16 moves out of the Caribbean, the GFS model predicts that the Western Caribbean will "reload" and produce another tropical disturbance capable of developing into a tropical depression early next week. The GFS also predicts a tropical or subtropical storm will form over the Bahamas late this week, and move north-northeast along the U.S. East Coast, missing hitting land. The NOGAPS model hints at the Bahamas storm, and also predicts development of a tropical wave a few hundred miles northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands, about a week from now.

Hottest day in Los Angeles history
The mercury hit a blistering 113°F (45.0°C) at 12:15 pm PDT yesterday in downtown Los Angeles, making it the hottest day in Los Angeles history. It may have gotten hotter, but the thermometer broke shortly after the record high was set. The previous record in Los Angeles was 112°F set on June 26, 1990; records go back to 1877. Nearby Long Beach tied its hottest all-time temperature yesterday, with a scorching 111°F. And Christopher C. Burt, our new featured blogger on weather records, pointed out to me that a station in the foothills at 1260' elevation near Beverly Hills owned by the Los Angeles Fire Department hit 119°F yesterday--the hottest temperature ever measured in the Los Angeles area, tying the 119°F reading from Woodland Hills on July 22, 2006. Yesterday's record heat was caused by an unusually large and intense upper-level high pressure system centered over Nevada that generated winds blowing from the land to the ocean, keeping the ocean from exerting its usual cooling influence. Remarkably, Los Angeles had its second coldest summer on record this year, and temperatures just five days ago were some the coldest September temperatures in the region for the past 50 years.

The remarkable summer of 2010
Wunderground is pleased to welcome a new featured blogger--weather historian Christopher C. Burt. Chris is a leading expert in the U.S. on weather records, and is author of the world's most popular weather records book published to date, Extreme Weather: A Guide and Record Book. He's spent a lifetime collaborating with like-minded individuals from around the world, and no one--including official sources such as the National Climatic Data Center and the National Extremes Committee--has done as thorough a job correlating the various weather records available and determining the most accurate extreme values of such. Each month he'll be reporting on the notable records for heat, cold, and precipitation set world-wide, and his first post takes a look at the remarkable summer of 2010. It's great to have someone like Chris who stays on top of weather extremes, and I hope you'll pay a visit to his blog and welcome him to the wunderground site!

"Hurricane Haven" airing this afternoon
My live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", will be airing again today at 4pm EDT. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question to broadcast@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line.

Today's show will be about 30 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

I'll have updates as the situation with TD 16 requires.

Jeff Masters

Alone again, naturally (ftogrf)

Lonely Seagull, as a storm associated with TD 16 is approaching.

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1951. traumaboyy 5:26 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet: LOL.You can't Sir me, I work for a living. Hey, TB and Pottery, hope you have a nice night. ok....good night not sir! Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

1952. GTcooliebai 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Looks like your typical tropical day...rain, and lots of it! Member Since: August 31, 2009 Posts: 0 Comments: 5170

1953. wxhatt 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Member Since: October 5, 2005 Posts: 2 Comments: 834

1954. traumaboyy 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting NRAamy: Ok, spud....that is a nice elk...you get a pass until tomorrow.. How hot over there?? Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

1955. pottery 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet: LOL.You can't Sir me, I work for a living. Hey, TB and Pottery, hope you have a nice night. You too! And with that, I am out... it's already tomorrow by a long way. Stay safe all. Member Since: October 24, 2005 Posts: 0 Comments: 20708

1956. Hurricanes101 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting wxhatt: old, you posted the tracks for when it was 96L Member Since: March 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6902

1957. PrivateIdaho 5:27 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting NRAamy: Ok, spud....that is a nice elk...you get a pass until tomorrow.. Whew! A reprieve! That bear pic is from a trail cam we set up..then the bears decided to eat the trail cam. :^( Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1958. sunlinepr 5:28 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
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1959. traumaboyy 5:29 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting pottery: You too! And with that, I am out... it's already tomorrow by a long way. Stay safe all. Night Pott! Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

1960. bcycsailor 5:29 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting OctaviaStreet: Oh, dear, you set me off on more ancient learnin's, patrap. As strange as this storm is turning out to be, "Jaberwocky" definitely fits: ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. Let's hope we have more mimsy on the borogroves than mome raths outgrabing. Mimsy doesn't sound so bad. I wish us all mimsies for tomorrow. G'night. Goodnight to you... I wanted to thank you for quoting one of my favourite (Ogden Nash?) poems and one that was once committed to memory a long time ago. Calloo,Callay he chortled in his joy. Hello Night Shift... I see that Jamaica is getting a pounding. Anyone from there on tonight? Member Since: June 24, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 96

1961. PrivateIdaho 5:30 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting NRAamy: Ok, spud....that is a nice elk...you get a pass until tomorrow.. What is up with the heat out here Amy? It was 88 (record high) here today. Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1962. Bordonaro 5:31 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting bcycsailor: Goodnight to you... I wanted to thank you for quoting one of my favourite (Ogden Nash?) poems and one that was once committed to memory a long time ago. Calloo,Callay he chortled in his joy. Hello Night Shift... I see that Jamaica is getting a pounding. Anyone from there on tonight? Earlier on, stated W Jamaica is getting hammered flooding rains, no reports of mudslides or injuries, E Jamaica getting periods of heavy squally rains and strong SE winds. Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1963. CaptnDan142 5:31 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
G'nite to any I missed... (multitasking) Member Since: August 21, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 856

1964. sunlinepr 5:32 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Too bad Ian Wallace & then Bill Brufford left.... Quoting KerryInNOLA: For those of you in The Keys , the lyrics to Islands. Hoping this weather will be nothing more than a blow. The part about "Gaunt granite climbs " of course does not apply to The Keys. :) King Crimson � Islands Lyrics (Fripp/Sinfield) "Earth, stream and tree encircled by sea Waves sweep the sand from my island. My sunsets fade. Field and glade wait only for rain Grain after grain love erodes my High weathered walls which fend off the tide Cradle the wind to my island. Gaunt granite climbs where gulls wheel and glide Mournfully glide o'er my island. My dawn bride's veil, damp and pale, Dissolves in the sun. Love's web is spun - cats prowl, mice run Wreathe snatch-hand briars where owls know my eyes Violet skies Touch my island, Touch me. Beneath the wind turned wave Infinite peace Islands join hands 'Neathe heaven's sea. Dark harbour quays like fingers of stone Hungrily reach from my island. Clutch sailor's words - pearls and gourds Are strewn on my shore. Equal in love, bound in circles. Earth, stream and tree return to the sea Waves sweep sand from my island, from me. " Member Since: August 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8440

1965. Bordonaro 5:32 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting pottery: You too! And with that, I am out... it's already tomorrow by a long way. Stay safe all. Night Pottery, tell the Calabash tree I said hello!! Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1966. barotropic 5:32 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
I dunno if my eyes are playing tricks but isnt that a low level circulation exiting the N coast of cuba? Go here Link and run the looop faster and look at the last frames on the north coast of cuba zoom in if need be......also interestingly is although the system is now on over cuba...the bouy 200 miles SW of the center is still reporting a 999mb press. Member Since: August 22, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 652

1967. traumaboyy 5:32 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting CaptnDan142: G'nite to any I missed... (multitasking) Night Dan!! Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

1968. VAbeachhurricanes 5:32 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Time: 05:22:30Z Coordinates: 23.8N 82.5833W Acft. Static Air Press: 811.9 mb (~ 23.98 inHg) Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 1,810 meters (~ 5,938 feet) Extrap. Sfc. Press: 1000.7 mb (~ 29.55 inHg) D-value: - Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 57° at 19 knots (From the ENE at ~ 21.8 mph) Air Temp: 16.0°C (~ 60.8°F) Dew Pt: 4.2°C (~ 39.6°F) Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 19 knots (~ 21.8 mph) SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: - SFMR Rain Rate: - () Denotes suspect data already 1000.7mb Member Since:* September 6, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4797

1969. PrivateIdaho 5:33 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting traumaboyy: How hot over there?? Huge high out here..Santa Ana winds for Amy and just hot and calm up here. This type of weather usually means a huge cooldown soon. Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1970. Bordonaro 5:33 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes: Time: 05:22:30Z Coordinates: 23.8N 82.5833W Acft. Static Air Press: 811.9 mb (~ 23.98 inHg) Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 1,810 meters (~ 5,938 feet) Extrap. Sfc. Press: 1000.7 mb (~ 29.55 inHg) D-value: - Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 57° at 19 knots (From the ENE at ~ 21.8 mph) Air Temp: 16.0°C (~ 60.8°F) Dew Pt: 4.2°C (~ 39.6°F) Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 19 knots (~ 21.8 mph) SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: - SFMR Rain Rate: - () Denotes suspect data already 1000.7mb Betcha they find a pressure near 994-995MB. Member Since:* August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1971. swflurker 5:35 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Old US army/naval base! Quoting VAbeachhurricanes: Are the dry tortugas part of florida? Member Since: August 6, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 88

1972. Ookla 5:36 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting OctaviaStreet: Oh, good, glad I'm not the only old soul on here. Late at night I tend to dredge up material memorized before we had Google to replace memories ;) Um, I think the I misspelled the title--should be Jabberwocky with two Bs. Really time to go, though, might have lots to do tomorrow afternoon and need to be well rested. 'Night again, y'all. In all seriousness, I can't remember time before the internet. When I see people confused in old movies, I think, "text him." And then spend the rest of it just admiring the period scenery. I just did it watching this mid-90s thing called Profit. But, in any case, I just got home, and is the situation lots of rain for Florida and a tropical storm for maybe South and/or North Cackilackee? I only ask because if it's gonna be a hurricane on the east coast, I need to get packed. Member Since: September 13, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 34

1973. VAbeachhurricanes 5:37 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting Bordonaro: Betcha they find a pressure near 994-995MB. can i get a link to that cuban radar? Member Since: September 6, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4797

1975. traumaboyy 5:38 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting PrivateIdaho: Huge high out here..Santa Ana winds for Amy and just hot and calm up here. This type of weather usually means a huge cooldown soon. We always have a very hot summer down here obviously this is Florida but the last few days have been amazing...high 85, low 60, humidity around 20-30%....will dry out quickly and fire threat coming back up Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

1976. Bordonaro 5:39 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes: can i get a link to that cuban radar? It is a link in the 2nd paragraph of this blog. Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1977. NRAamy 5:40 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
This type of weather usually means earthquakes.... I know, I know...no such thing as earthquake weather.. Well, let me tell you there is.... Cause the purple hippo knows about these things...uh huh, you heard me.... Member Since: January 24, 2007 Posts: 315 Comments: 31937

1978. GTcooliebai 5:40 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
I'm out too, good night everyone...stay dry! Member Since: August 31, 2009 Posts: 0 Comments: 5170

1979. leo305 5:40 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting wxhatt: I KNEW IT, they repositioned the spin moving towards the south and east means more favorable conditions and longer time over water before it hits SFL/CUBA.. PLus this means its ganna rain a lot more than originally expected in south florida.. Member Since: April 17, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 1752

1980. swflurker 5:41 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
So I guess Yellowstone isn'n in Montana any more! Quoting CaptnDan142: Technically, no. It's a National Park, so it would be Federal territory. Member Since: August 6, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 88

1981. VAbeachhurricanes 5:41 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Time: 05:32:00Z Coordinates: 23.45N 82.1833W Acft. Static Air Press: 811.5 mb (~ 23.96 inHg) Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 1,806 meters (~ 5,925 feet) Extrap. Sfc. Press: 999.5 mb (~ 29.52 inHg) D-value: - Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 57° at 18 knots (From the ENE at ~ 20.7 mph) Air Temp: 16.5°C (~ 61.7°F) Dew Pt: 7.5°C (~ 45.5°F) Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 19 knots (~ 21.8 mph) SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 21 knots (~ 24.1 mph) SFMR Rain Rate: 2 mm/hr (~ 0.08 in/hr) () Denotes suspect data bout to fly over cuba, already 999.5 falling rapidly Member Since:* September 6, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4797

1982. PrivateIdaho 5:41 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting traumaboyy: We always have a very hot summer down here obviously this is Florida but the last few days have been amazing...high 85, low 60, humidity around 20-30%....will dry out quickly and fire threat coming back up Link...speaking of fires. Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1983. bcycsailor 5:42 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting Bordonaro: Earlier on, stated W Jamaica is getting hammered flooding rains, no reports of mudslides or injuries, E Jamaica getting periods of heavy squally rains and strong SE winds. Thanks for the catch-up. I hope that everyone fares well there. The situation in Mexico is just plain sad and isn't Jamaica also prone to mudslides? Member Since: June 24, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 96

1985. Hurricanes101 5:43 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes: Time: 05:32:00Z Coordinates: 23.45N 82.1833W Acft. Static Air Press: 811.5 mb (~ 23.96 inHg) Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 1,806 meters (~ 5,925 feet) Extrap. Sfc. Press: 999.5 mb (~ 29.52 inHg) D-value: - Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 57° at 18 knots (From the ENE at ~ 20.7 mph) Air Temp: 16.5°C (~ 61.7°F) Dew Pt: 7.5°C (~ 45.5°F) Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 19 knots (~ 21.8 mph) SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 21 knots (~ 24.1 mph) SFMR Rain Rate: 2 mm/hr (~ 0.08 in/hr) () Denotes suspect data bout to fly over cuba, already 999.5 falling rapidly seems to me that the structure of this system has gotten better tonight Member Since:* March 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6902

1986. barotropic 5:43 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
did anyone check out that spin on the N Coast?? Member Since: August 22, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 652

1987. PrivateIdaho 5:44 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting sunlinepr: I can't find the radar either,,,, Windows is prompting me.... Cabernet, Merlot or Tempranillo?? Nice! Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1988. Bordonaro 5:45 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting sunlinepr: I can't find the radar either,,,, Windows is prompting me.... Cabernet, Merlot or Tempranillo?? Link to the radar site: Link Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1989. barotropic 5:46 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes: Time: 05:32:00Z Coordinates: 23.45N 82.1833W Acft. Static Air Press: 811.5 mb (~ 23.96 inHg) Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 1,806 meters (~ 5,925 feet) Extrap. Sfc. Press: 999.5 mb (~ 29.52 inHg) D-value: - Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 57° at 18 knots (From the ENE at ~ 20.7 mph) Air Temp: 16.5°C (~ 61.7°F) Dew Pt: 7.5°C (~ 45.5°F) Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 19 knots (~ 21.8 mph) SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 21 knots (~ 24.1 mph) SFMR Rain Rate: 2 mm/hr (~ 0.08 in/hr) () Denotes suspect data bout to fly over cuba, already 999.5 falling rapidly The fact that its already 999mb doesnt mean anything in this case Member Since:* August 22, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 652

1990. Bordonaro 5:47 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting bcycsailor: Thanks for the catch-up. I hope that everyone fares well there. The situation in Mexico is just plain sad and isn't Jamaica also prone to mudslides? Yes, they are and the entire island of Jamaica is under a Flash Flood Warning till 5PM EDT tomorrow. Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1991. sunlinepr 5:47 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Got it.... thanks,,,,, Quoting Bordonaro: Link to the radar site: Link Member Since: August 2, 2010 Posts: 19 Comments: 8440

1992. PrivateIdaho 5:47 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting swflurker: So I guess Yellowstone isn'n in Montana any more! While techically in the states of Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana, no state fishing licenses are required in the park and state sales tax is not collected. It is Federal property. Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1993. Hurricanes101 5:48 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
still not the center, that 998mb was probably in a band of some sort pressure will likely go back down again after going up a bit Member Since: March 10, 2010 Posts: 1 Comments: 6902

1994. Bordonaro 5:48 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Member Since: August 25, 2009 Posts: 20 Comments: 6785

1995. PrivateIdaho 5:49 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting PrivateIdaho: While techically in the states of Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana, no state fishing licenses are required in the park and state sales tax is not collected. It is Federal property. "technically"...maybe?....time to go to bed! Member Since: August 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 5211

1996. swflurker 5:50 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Haven't been there in awhile. Is it still in Montana, or did they move it? Quoting PrivateIdaho: While techically in the states of Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana, no state fishing licenses are required in the park and state sales tax is not collected. It is Federal property. Member Since: August 6, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 88

1997. VAbeachhurricanes 5:50 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
NHC taking their time Member Since: September 6, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4797

1998. ChillinInTheKeys 5:51 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
29.40 in(Falling), 995.6mb Zip 33042 Big Pine Key, MM 30. 29.42 MM 24. Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 448

1999. barotropic 5:51 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting Hurricanes101: still not the center, that 998mb was probably in a band of some sort pressure will likely go back down again after going up a bit The pressure is at near 998 mb 200 miles plus SW of the current center location and at 999 150 mile SE of it. Its likely stil right at 998 at the center poss 997mb Member Since: August 22, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 652

2000. VAbeachhurricanes 5:52 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Whys HH not crossing cuba? Member Since: September 6, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4797

2001. traumaboyy 5:52 AM GMT on September 29, 2010
Quoting PrivateIdaho: Link...speaking of fires. wow...that's a Far!! Member Since: August 18, 2008 Posts: 0 Comments: 2176

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