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Grading NHC's Tropical Weather Outlook
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:33 PM GMT on June 06, 2007 +4
The National Hurricane Center's Tropical Weather Outlook (TWO) is a text-only product that rates the potential of disturbed areas of weather to turn into tropical depressions or tropical storms. The outlooks are issued four times daily, at 5am, 11am, 5pm, and 11pm EDT. I've found them to be an excellent guide to what to watch out for. But how accurate are these outlooks? To find out, Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, who are two of the hurricane specialists that write the Tropical Weather Outlook, verified the accuracy of all the outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. They used a three-tiered classification of threat based on the following language appearing in the TWO:

High: "A tropical depression could form tonight or the next day."

Medium: "Some slow development is possible."

Low: "Tropical storm formation is not expected."


These forecasts were then graded by looking at the "best track" database of Atlantic hurricanes and seeing if a tropical depression formed within 48 hours of each TWO issued. The results, shown below, reveal that for the Atlantic in the years 2005 and 2006:

-When the TWO said, "A tropical depression could form tonight of the next day," a depression formed within 48 hours 53% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Some slow development is possible," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours about 20% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Tropical storm formation is not expected," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours only 3% of the time.




Figure 1. Verification of the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific Tropical Weather Outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. Image credit: Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, National Hurricane Center.

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401. Patrap 6:36 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
I know the maps and the reads ... but,thanks for posting them.
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402. Patrap 6:37 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
I have a good reach from my view out the FEMA trailer window here. But a sluggish c-drive sometimes.LoL
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403. Jedkins 6:40 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Indeed, a man must be man when a man must be a man.

Somwtimes you just gotta take out the trash for the sake of a better cause
404. weatherboyfsu 6:40 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Possible developing low starting to be picked up by models to go into gulf of mexico......Something interesting....little potential but you never know....
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405. Jedkins 6:42 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
ya it is rather interesting, at any rate, looks like more rain for Florida and as long as nothing of hurricane intensity forms bring it on!

LOL I just care about more rain right now, but of course I'm definitey watching it though.
406. Patrap 6:43 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Remember the Docs Blog entry about Chicago and Tornadoes awhile back? How dense the population is is some areas?. Today there under the Tornado Threat.Heres the wind profile..Link
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407. HurricaneFCast 6:43 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Patrap- Sorry man, I didn't mean for that post to sound hostile at all. That wasn't my intention.
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408. Patrap 6:44 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
The Severe Map and Watch Boxes for the Areas..Link
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410. Patrap 6:45 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
It wasnt taken as such. Its all sweet. We all here to learn and banter.
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412. HurricaneFCast 6:48 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Patrap- OK, Great. What's your opinion on the potential for Severe Weather over the Central U.S. today?
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414. Patrap 6:54 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
The severe potential is High for the watch box areas. Its just starting to pop now in the Upper Midwest.Going to be a long afternoon into evening .Those who are in those areas will need to use all there heads up.......Link
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415. seflagamma 6:59 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
We are getting terrible storms here in Broward County now...under Severe Thunderstorm Warning at the moment.

so that low by Bahamas is blowing up??? haven't looked lately.
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416. seflagamma 7:01 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
if this keeps up, SE Fla will stop asking for rain anyday now. Dade county is over their rainfall average. now Broward and Palm Beach and I think Melbourn is back to normal.
out here in Weston, all the canals and lakes and berms are full of water. Everything here is very green again and water is everywhere.

Hope some of this is getting over Lake Okeechobee and falling in the Everglades.
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417. FLUSA 7:01 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
With the sudden daily rains in Florida, I wonder if sink holes will be a problem in the near future?
418. WPBHurricane05 7:04 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
FLUSA-After TS Barry, a sink hole opened up near Lake Worth on I-95.
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419. RL3AO 7:08 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
I'm back. My internet went down a few minutes after the warning was issued.
420. Patrap 7:11 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
GOM Atlantic..WV Link
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421. hurricane23 7:14 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
We'll i think the possible is there for some slight development across the bahamas area during the next few days.On close-up radar and visible CC turning is being seen righ now with some convection.
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422. Patrap 7:16 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
STS-117 Launch One Day Away

Launch Date: June 8
Launch Time: 7:38 p.m. ED

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Image above: At Kennedy's Shuttle Landing Facility, Mission STS-117 Commander Rick Sturckow and Pilot Lee Archambault are ready to begin practice flights in the shuttle training aircraft. In flight, the aircraft duplicates the unpowered orbiter's descent for landing on a runway. Photo credit: NASA/KSC

06.07.07 - 10:30 a.m. EDT
At this morning's Countdown Status Briefing, NASA Test Director Steve Payne reported that after many months of hard work Atlantis is ready to launch. External tank inspections are in process and there are no issues being tracked.

Upon completion of all checks and inspections the access platforms will be retracted. The xenon lights will be lit, brightly illuminating the space shuttle, which can be seen from miles away.

"We're ready to fly tomorrow," said Payne.

Roy Worthy, external tank and solid rocket booster vehicle manager, described the multitude of repairs performed on the external tank and thanked the hundreds of workers who labored days on end to complete the task.

STS-117 Payload Manager, Robbie Ashley, reported that the payload was loaded into the orbiter's payload bay this week and everything is ready and secured for launch.

Kathy Winters, shuttle weather officer said there is now only a 20-percent chance that weather would affect the launch. A high pressure ridge has entered the area and although the typical Florida afternoon storms may develop, they should be west of Kennedy Space Center and not an issue at launch time.

The forecast for tomorrow morning is for light winds and a zero percent chance of weather prohibiting the loading of propellants into the external tank.

Commander Rick Sturckow and Pilot Lee Archambault have been practicing landings in the Shuttle Training Aircraft and the entire crew is making final preparations for tomorrow's liftoff.

Transfer of the hydrogen and oxygen reactants were completed this morning. These reactants will be used by Atlantis to generate power during the mission. The umbilical unit was secured once the loading was accomplished.

The launch pad's rotating service structure is scheduled to roll away from Atlantis at 10:30 p.m. tonight. When in place, the giant revolving enclosure is used to install payloads into the orbiter's cargo bay and provide protection from inclement weather.

On Friday, launch day, propellant loading is set to begin at about 9:30 a.m., with the pumping of more than 500,000 gallons of liquid oxygen and hydrogen into the vehicle's orange external tank.

NASA TV coverage of the launch and live launch countdown coverage from NASA's Launch Blog begins will begin at 1:30 p.m. EDT Friday.
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425. WPBHurricane05 7:28 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
If it is an ULL, will it still have the potential to become a LLC?
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426. KoritheMan 7:30 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Is that thing by the Bahamas going to develop?
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429. Skyepony (Mod) 7:42 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
An ULL takes like 3-4 days of good conditions to transition to a TS. Going over land isn't good conditions. Also these models runs lack any kind of consistancy~ so I'm liking the lets wait & see what happens camp. That's alotta convection firing right now for an ULL, especially this time of day. RGB loop
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430. FLUSA 7:51 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
WPB--The sink holes will probably be more common in the next couple of weeks. They only get attention when they swallow a house or a lake even, like one did in lake county I believe a few years back.
431. KoritheMan 7:53 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
With the diurnal max, will the convection increase? If this thing does move over South Florida, will I have to worry about it? I'm in Louisiana.
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433. MisterPerfect 7:57 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Ahem..pardon the interuption everyone..

GET BACK TO WORK YOU SLACKERS!!...

Sorry, continue please...
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434. Skyepony (Mod) 8:00 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Alotta convection this time of day may contradict an ULL forming. Pressures haven't dropped off yet in the area, mixed wind directions. Saying I like the wait & see camp.
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435. airman45 8:03 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
GET BACK TO WORK YOU SLACKERS!!...


No work today. Portuguese holiday and off tomorrow also. Next Wednesday is another holiday. There is NO lack of European holidays, believe me. Anyway, it is 9 p.m. here and I would be home anyway. So I assume you are addressing all of our OTHER friends here.LOL.
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437. WPBHurricane05 8:06 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Winds are mixed at West Palm. They are either SE or SW.
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438. Jedkins 8:08 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
hmmm with more of an easterly wind hopefully we can balance out the rainfall, the west coast is a lot dryer then east coast based on looking at the drought index. My county pinnelas is in the green wet zone, but thats only because the whole county got rain amounts of 3 to 6 inches from Barry, had a brief torrential downpour from an old outflow boundary last night but it only last about a minute and it was a thin fast moving line so rain was only about 0.15.

Other than that west coast has lacked rain more then the east coast, hopefully with the wind shift combined with this possiblw low forming we can get a lot more rain on this side of state.
440. Jedkins 8:11 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
There is deep convection right there out of radar range, check again...
441. airman45 8:15 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Anyone know how much rain Muscat got from Gonu?

I saw a report that said the Muscat airport got 2 inches. Doesn´t sound like much but considering that is half of their annual rainfall there is no wonder they had flooding.
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443. Jedkins 8:18 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
looks like convection is firing good in central Florida after all today, 3 severe thunderstorms warning just issued for west central Florida
444. Skyepony (Mod) 8:22 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
FLBoy~ I didn't say that either:)

MP~ We all don't need to work..
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445. Jedkins 8:22 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Posted By: FLBoy at 8:18 PM GMT on June 07, 2007.

It was a joke Jedkins! Any freak can see what is happening there. Try and find a sense of humor please?




Oh I have sense of humor, you have no idea haha, its just I have actually seen people put stuff up that rediculous and not be joking lol
446. Jedkins 8:23 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
wow over 1000 lightning strikes around the area in ony the past 15 mintues, thats a classic Florida summer pattern, lookin good after all today.
448. G35Wayne 8:32 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
According to the GFS what ever develops near the Bahamas is going to be pushed back west across FL.
449. mermaidlaw 8:39 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Hello everyone. I hope everyone in bad storms, stay safe today!

JED, I know how you feel about the rain! I had alittle rain when barry came through. It was the first rain at my home in months. Now, I hear thunder in the distance yet it is sunny and hot here! All of the rain is east of me, here in Hernando county. It seems to miss me often! We can only hope for some of the wet stuff!!:)
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450. nolesjeff 9:39 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    
Posted By: Jedkins at 8:23 PM GMT on June 07, 2007.

wow over 1000 lightning strikes around the area in ony the past 15 mintues, thats a classic Florida summer pattern, lookin good after all today.
Not classic SW FL pattern, all moving east of 75
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451. miamihurricane12 9:39 PM GMT on June 07, 2007    


another wave off the coast

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